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Chaser Blog 18th Sept

Postby cctv » Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:17 pm

Chaser Blog 18th Sept


The chaser is back finally with his next blog and he has 2 hands for us from Macau when he played the APT




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Postby JonThomson » Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:03 pm

good stuff, definitely think it's better that you're talking about specific hands rather than in general. although please bet the flop in the 42s hand, sounds like you're up against a table of loose-passive players, so value bet them, they'll probably stack off with less really easily (particularly seeing how any pocket pair loves this flop)
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Postby NoCash » Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:15 pm

QQ v AK hand is very tough situation given your read (not played a hand for an hour). I would probably lean towards a shove myself (as I'm a LAG donk), but there are good arguments in favour of both.

Question about this though. Do you think the size of the event affected your decision at all (as you said it was the biggest comp you have played in)? Would you have been more inclined to shove in a £100 F/O down the local casino given the same situation?

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Postby The Chaser » Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:21 pm

I know what you are saying JT but I just feel that the shove on the turn would be a better principal if a blank card comes...it was fairly early in the tourney and the flush draw was my worry...

If i check raise the flop (which was the other option as the continuation bet from the aggressor was guaranteed) then it puts the nut flush draw to the test but he may well have had the implied odds to push all in and then I am forced to call and risk tourney life very early...

In those circumstances I believe I would have been eliminated in this instance...Its a strange one cos I have basically hit the bingo flop that I wanted but still felt obliged to play it careful until the turn and then reduce the odds on the possible big draws (2 pair, sets and nut flush)

The way I play it is weak passive as I felt i needed an escape pod if the turn was as awful as it was. As I say I could try and close it with either a check raise big bet or shove but my spider senses thought that ploy could end in tears. That is why I went for the option of pushing the turn if favourable. If an opponent has 4 7 for the nuts then good luck to them but the turn made it a 1 card straight and put the flush there...the fact the made flush bet out so big shows you the inexperience of the guy and also convinced me that he wouldnt/couldnt have passed the flop.

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multi call min raise ..me call with 2 :spade: 4 :spade:

FLOP 3 :club: 5 :club: 6 :spade:

I flop second nut straight

Aggressor bets after all check to him and my options are Pass...(Never)...Bet or check Raise .. smooth call

Incidentally I figured I was well in front of him but I genuinely feared the smooth callers as one could have nut flush draw (that was correct as it transpired) or more likely a set. My quandry was whether to jam the pot there and then or wait for a blank turn card.

The way I played it saved my tourney life in my opinion as I think the seat 1 caller with A :club: 9 :club: would have called. I am not saying it was a good play by me though and am very open to your thoughts...after all I am a halibut!
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Postby The Chaser » Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:30 pm

The queens is a difficult one and I thought for a long time before making a decision which again influenced my decision. If it had been a £100 freezeout I would have thought for less time and then acted on my feelings in a quicker decision making process. I had literally thought for 8 mins when I passed and that is a long time...Had I been sat on the other side of the table I would have put me only on QQ...Kings would have called before then and JJ would have passed by then...I fely therefore that I had given a fair bit of info away though whether my inexperienced opponent would have thought that way I dont know.

My gut instinct told me it was AK but my worry was KK AA...if I push I dont think he passes and I am a very marginal favourite...however I am second in chips at this point and he is big chip leader ..even after passing I am in good shape and I think a better situ may arise.

He hadnt played for about an hour or even 75 mins and I knew he was one of 3 hands...If he had doubled my bet I would have smooth called and seen the flop but he overbet and made it tough for me.

In the circs I obviously wish I had gambled as he may even have passed big slick but as I said the chip positions had a big influence on me and I swerved a big pot syndrome.
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Postby NoCash » Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:50 pm

Yeah looking at it like that... If your 2nd in chips on your table then there's no point in taking a gamble where at best your a flip against the only person who can take you out. Not in the early stages of a comp anyway. I've come unstuck doing this more time than I care to remember.

Tough pass, but probably a good laydown IMO.

I was interested to know if the magnitude of the comp affected your decision as I've never played in a comp that big myself and was curious as to the effect it has on your thought process.

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Postby The Chaser » Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:34 pm

The size of the buy does matter and I would be lying if I said it doesnt...I expect serious pros pick up on that more than anything else in the latter stages so you need to disguise it if you can
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Postby cctv » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:40 pm

I kind of just got a similar situation to your 1st hand here

And i got what you kind of didn't want to happen. You cant fold nor moan if a club comes thats the poker Gods for ya.



Full Tilt Poker Game #8128729423: Early Double - B (61715839), Table 6 - 300/600 Ante 75 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:42:28 ET - 2008/09/18
Seat 1: Penguinfan (6,071)
Seat 2: Bugdy (13,084)
Seat 3: maroonpanther (8,496)
Seat 4: tandenstoker (11,019)
Seat 5: nuggetsrus (45,888)
Seat 7: atlas63 (6,205)
Seat 8: woodchuck747 (2,055), is sitting out
Seat 9: VOLOSONE (22,230)
Penguinfan antes 75
Bugdy antes 75
maroonpanther antes 75
tandenstoker antes 75
nuggetsrus antes 75
atlas63 antes 75
woodchuck747 antes 75
VOLOSONE antes 75
woodchuck747 posts the small blind of 300
VOLOSONE posts the big blind of 600
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to nuggetsrus [5d 3d]
woodchuck747 has reconnected
Penguinfan folds
Bugdy folds
woodchuck747 has returned
maroonpanther folds
tandenstoker has been disconnected
Kalledumse sits down
Kalledumse adds 14,960
tandenstoker folds
tandenstoker has reconnected
nuggetsrus raises to 1,800
atlas63 folds
woodchuck747 folds
VOLOSONE calls 1,200
*** FLOP *** [6s 2c 4c]
VOLOSONE bets 20,355, and is all in
nuggetsrus calls 20,355
VOLOSONE shows [Jc 7c]
nuggetsrus shows [5d 3d]
*** TURN *** [6s 2c 4c] [8c]
*** RIVER *** [6s 2c 4c 8c] [9c]
VOLOSONE shows a flush, Jack high
nuggetsrus shows a straight, Six high
VOLOSONE wins the pot (45,210) with a flush, Jack high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 45,210 | Rake 0
Board: [6s 2c 4c 8c 9c]
Seat 1: Penguinfan folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Bugdy folded before the Flop
Seat 3: maroonpanther folded before the Flop
Seat 4: tandenstoker folded before the Flop
Seat 5: nuggetsrus showed [5d 3d] and lost with a straight, Six high
Seat 7: atlas63 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: woodchuck747 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: VOLOSONE (big blind) showed [Jc 7c] and won (45,210) with a flush, Jack high
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Postby Clarkatroid » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:18 pm

hi mark

hand 1,

i prefer raising flop pretty big and getting it in if they re raise. your big fav going to the turn against opponents likey holdings of sets and draws. raise it now and jam all non club, board pairing cards. its a tricky one but i think this is the most +ev play unless you have a huge edge over the field, then your play is optimal. i think you played it ok anyway though m8

hand 2

i cant fault your play given opponents image, although jamming cant be too big a mistake either

peace :D

ps jon "Expected Value is the term bad poker players use whenever they lose a big hand. The term comes from economics, and therefore it only exists in theory."

^^thats a controversial strapline. u seriously dont believe in pokerev or you joshing?

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Postby JonThomson » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:40 pm

quote comes from a parody poker blog of someone attempting to be the best .01/.02 player in the world
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Postby Clarkatroid » Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:42 pm

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Postby The Chaser » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:10 am

Thanks guys...I kind of think that the hands can be played in a lot of ways and there isnt really a definitive black or white..you could argue I must have played them both badly as I lost both pots but maybe disciplined play stopped me losing it all

...think the second one is just a case of how you feel at the time...if his hand is face up and is AK off suit then do I take the risk...probably yes but there was still the big nagging doubt that he could have AA or KK...My gut feeling (and its a big gut lol) was AK and I really did put him only on 3 hands.

The first one is much more complex and there are so many factors..the jam the turn scenario is perhaps brought on by playing too much omaha and trying to influence the pot odds of the opponent..I believe the opponent should push all in with the nut flush draw IF I raise and should smooth call IF I call..I was half putting one of the opponents on this hand and was also wary of a set with so many smooth callers though I believe a set would have had to bet out on this dangerous board.

The strangest play really was the guy having made his nut flush firing a huge shell at the pot...I could easily have been bamboozled by this and to be honest it was only because he had told me that he hadnt long been playing that I laid the hand down...I think a part of me thought that I had missed my chance of winning the pot on the flop and I didnt want to compound any errors.
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Postby Clarkatroid » Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:58 pm

mark, the 2 4 hand is interesting, and id like to tap some brains on it

could you give me blinds size, rough stack sizes and how many players saw flop pls. im gonna ask a couple my friends about it

ta adam

like i say, my view is, im very excited about getting it in on this flop, and let them gamble with the worst of it but id be interested see some other thoughts


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