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HoneyMonster Ace High

Joined: 18 Jul 2005 Posts: 48 Location: Barrow
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: Locked out of todays £100 freezeout at the G |
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A bit miffed at the moment.
I got to the G late (2.05) just to see that they were about to start (was late due to traffic/getting park - I know absolutly no fault of the G's)
So I'm on the reserve list (eventually along with 5 otheres).
1 got in, the other 5 didn't.
Couldn't they open a new table, stick the 6 reserves on it and get 3 more off 3 other tables?
In this day and age (with the new regs), players shouldn't be turned away or locked out (IMHO)
£500 less in the prize pool (& x5 reg fee the casino loses out on).
What do you guys/gals think? |
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istrabraq One Pair

Joined: 11 May 2008 Posts: 73 Location: warrington
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| hi just drove 17 miles 4 tommorows comp at 36 casino stockport and paid in 2 make sure im in this seems 2 be a trend at moment 1st time had look round very impressive |
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HoneyMonster Ace High

Joined: 18 Jul 2005 Posts: 48 Location: Barrow
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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If it was 30 mins from where I live I would have done the same - but it's 1.5hrs+
I would gladly pay the full entry online/over the phone, but there's no such way of doing this. |
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Doublebubble Straight


Joined: 14 Apr 2006 Posts: 1068 Location: Thornton
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| HoneyMonster wrote: | If it was 30 mins from where I live I would have done the same - but it's 1.5hrs+
I would gladly pay the full entry online/over the phone, but there's no such way of doing this. |
I have an idea about this. Just need to ask a couple of questions... _________________ "vita non est vivere sed valere vita est" |
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MILLAR45 Ace High

Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 44 Location: BLACKPOOL
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| If your going to be unavoidably late why not ring up Casino before registration ends and ask someone preferably who u know to buy u in |
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TheSAS Royal Flush


Joined: 20 Feb 2006 Posts: 3162 Location: Liverpool
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| HoneyMonster wrote: | If it was 30 mins from where I live I would have done the same - but it's 1.5hrs+
I would gladly pay the full entry online/over the phone, but there's no such way of doing this. |
It really is about time the casinos sorted out buying in either online or by debit (not credit) card over the telephone. That way they would be able to attract a wider range of players for big games and also give themselves an idea of how many dealers they are going to need. _________________ May all your cards be live and your pots be monsters! Mike Sexton.
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Doublebubble Straight


Joined: 14 Apr 2006 Posts: 1068 Location: Thornton
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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You can buy into DTD comps online. There should be a method like that. Or even simpler, if each Casino had a paypal account, then you could transfer the money via that way and then someone at the Casino include you on the list _________________ "vita non est vivere sed valere vita est" |
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rw Ace High

Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 24 Location: Stockport
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: Registrations |
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| You can book a place at Casino 36 over the phone (0161 666 3636) as long as you're going to be there at least 15 minutes before the comp starts or you're dropped onto the reserve list |
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HoneyMonster Ace High

Joined: 18 Jul 2005 Posts: 48 Location: Barrow
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| MILLAR45 wrote: | | If your going to be unavoidably late why not ring up Casino before registration ends and ask someone preferably who u know to buy u in |
I have no friends who play at Blackpool G!
Nah, I play there maybe half a dozen times a year (work comittments, distance to drive at stupid o'clock etc.....situations like this put me off from coming more often too).
I did think about ringing, but figured there was no point (as they would need the money to reserve the entry).
Guess I'm just gonna have to take my chances with the traffic in future, maybe setting off earlier if there is an increased potential for blackpool being busy (i.e. a bit of sunshine)! |
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The-Tower The Nuts


Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 9712 Location: anywhere, as long as i can film it!!
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: Locked out of todays £100 freezeout at the G |
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| HoneyMonster wrote: | A bit miffed at the moment.
I got to the G late (2.05) just to see that they were about to start (was late due to traffic/getting park - I know absolutly no fault of the G's)
So I'm on the reserve list (eventually along with 5 otheres).
1 got in, the other 5 didn't.
Couldn't they open a new table, stick the 6 reserves on it and get 3 more off 3 other tables?
In this day and age (with the new regs), players shouldn't be turned away or locked out (IMHO)
£500 less in the prize pool (& x5 reg fee the casino loses out on).
What do you guys/gals think? |
You cannot open a new table just for alternates, that is the rule..... But what The Casino should do is have 9 handed tables to let in alternates, but then it goes to a staffing issue, which none of us can do anything about.... but to have a successful alternate system the Casinos should allow for this, but then again its all about staffing levels!!!!! Very frustrating but thats how it is... knowing Julie at the G, I'm sure she will staff to the best of her ability knowing this tourney is going to go from strength to strength... _________________ I am The Tower........ |
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REDROCK One Pair


Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 50 Location: West Yorkshire
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Bad rules, like bad laws, need changing (or ignoring). If 10 people walk into the casino an hour after the start of a comp and decide they would like to play, who does it benefit by denying them ? Why not add an extra table ? As any player will tell you all that matters to us is the size of the pot, so the more the merrier. LET THEM PLAY. |
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The-Tower The Nuts


Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 9712 Location: anywhere, as long as i can film it!!
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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Can't agree more, but as it stands that is the rule... And I think I am right in saying poker rooms such as DTD have the same rule... If I'm wrong then the rest need to change.. But as I said before most of it will be down to staffing... _________________ I am The Tower........ |
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Doublebubble Straight


Joined: 14 Apr 2006 Posts: 1068 Location: Thornton
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Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| REDROCK wrote: | | Bad rules, like bad laws, need changing (or ignoring). If 10 people walk into the casino an hour after the start of a comp and decide they would like to play, who does it benefit by denying them ? Why not add an extra table ? As any player will tell you all that matters to us is the size of the pot, so the more the merrier. LET THEM PLAY. |
I can see 2 sides to this argument. You have covered all the pros for allowing more people in so no need to expand on that however on the negative
1. People know or should know when a tournament start so why should they be let in an hour after its started when people have already been knocked out
2. You cant just make a new table for the 10 (for example) in case they know each other, and if you take the BB off every table then why should they suffer after getting used to a table for an hour just because people turn up so late. People invariably do get moved in a tournament but this would be a harsh reason
3. If its all about the pot then why not allow people to buy back in if they are busted as long as its still in the alternate period (ok this woud never happen but just giving other points)
Disclaimer - Not saying these are right; just providing another side to the argument _________________ "vita non est vivere sed valere vita est" |
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kipp One Pair

Joined: 03 Jan 2008 Posts: 51 Location: huddersfield
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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from a card room supervisors point of view, the reason we dont open tables for alternates is because it could end up, and will end up seriously disrupting the comp.
If 6 people come in late, and we have to set a new table that would mean getting all the chips sorted, doing all the entries and taking the money etc while perhaps having to control your cash games..then when the extra table is finally set up and maybe you have a dealer for it or maybe not, you have to go round and move players all over the room to balance out the numbers again...
..very, very frustrating i can assure you for the person running the room. Plus as mentioned there is the worry that a group of friends all come in and sit at the same table. Sure you could move random people onto the new table, but again this would be very time consuming.
Allowing late entries is a luxury for those who cannot make it on time for whatever reason, and gives us running the rooms a bit of freedom and chance to get more runners.
But, as im sure most of you will have noticed, some people do abuse this new rule and come in to a comp at the very last few mins to start with the average chip stack as opposed to those already been playing for 1 hour +..
If people know that they can just walk in as late as they want and will either be an alternate or a new table set up for them, there will be no pressure to get to the comp on time at all and numbers could and will suffer because of it. certainly the promptness of the event will slacken.
being allowed in late is a great thing, but i wont ever be for adding new tables as the alternate system is flexible enough. Like some of you have said, being able to pay online or in advance is much better or calling a friendly ear in the casino.
setting up a new table is cumbersome and time-consuming and would encourage many people to do that as the mentality will become 'ah it doesnt matter if we're late, they'l put on a new table for us..' which was never the point of the alternate system. It is there for those with genuine reasons for being late and offers a second chance.
And as Tower says, those of us switched on will always open tables short handed to allow late entries - this should be done as standard by now and I cant understand why places still dont.. but unfortunately on housedealt nights sometimes it is a question of staffing levels of which we have little control.
Just my two cents!!! |
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creed One Pair

Joined: 23 Mar 2008 Posts: 62 Location: notts
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| i was one of the ones who didnt get in..to say i was miffed is an understament as me and a friend had drove from nottingham and rang the casino to make sure we would get in.they said we would be fine,what a waste of a journey that was,lol |
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creed One Pair

Joined: 23 Mar 2008 Posts: 62 Location: notts
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: |
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| The-Tower wrote: | | Can't agree more, but as it stands that is the rule... And I think I am right in saying poker rooms such as DTD have the same rule... If I'm wrong then the rest need to change.. But as I said before most of it will be down to staffing... |
dtd open tables if lots of alternates |
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Yogi-Bear Two Pair


Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 483 Location: Nottingham
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:53 am Post subject: |
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DTD do accept late Registrations.
Tables will be opened dependent upon numbers of waiting players.
As for Kipp who thinks it may be dispruptive, I have to agree, it could well be, however with a little foresight it should be easily manageable. Plus aren't we there to work for a living?
Y should the promptness of the game suffer. If Its start time then start the clock. Don't penalise people who are there on time. Latecomers can wait 2 minutes whilst things are sorted out.
And Tower. Tables should be 9 handed anyway. The seat draw can be done to less players than that.
On a nightly basis we draw to 7 players on a table. And still add anywhere up to 5 tables between the seat draw being done and the end of the alternate period.
Worrying about friends on same table??? If they don't like it then they should arrive earlier to be included in the draw. New tables that we open are usually the first to be broken, so they don't play for too long together. Although I'm sure there are always ways around things. Maybe don't wait to open a table until your tables are already full. Just for starters.
In this day and age there can and should be a lot more flexibility to running a competition.
Obviously if the rule stops you from opening tables ( a *bleep* poor one if Im honest ) then why not campaign to change it. Or keep it depending upon your opinion.
Yogi _________________ Smarter than the average bear. |
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The-Tower The Nuts


Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 9712 Location: anywhere, as long as i can film it!!
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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Yup I agree tables should be 9 handed,not 10..... And I still believe it boils down to Staff..... Yet again we had self deal tables on Sunday in the G so to make the tables 10 handed saves on a dealer if you get 10 tables up n running.. _________________ I am The Tower........ |
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Kev B Two Pair


Joined: 13 May 2007 Posts: 458 Location: Newcastle Staffs
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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Yogi-Bear wrote: | DTD do accept late Registrations.
Tables will be opened dependent upon numbers of waiting players.
As for Kipp who thinks it may be dispruptive, I have to agree, it could well be, however with a little foresight it should be easily manageable. Plus aren't we there to work for a living?
Y should the promptness of the game suffer. If Its start time then start the clock. Don't penalise people who are there on time. Latecomers can wait 2 minutes whilst things are sorted out.
And Tower. Tables should be 9 handed anyway. The seat draw can be done to less players than that.
On a nightly basis we draw to 7 players on a table. And still add anywhere up to 5 tables between the seat draw being done and the end of the alternate period.
Worrying about friends on same table??? If they don't like it then they should arrive earlier to be included in the draw. New tables that we open are usually the first to be broken, so they don't play for too long together. Although I'm sure there are always ways around things. Maybe don't wait to open a table until your tables are already full. Just for starters.
In this day and age there can and should be a lot more flexibility to running a competition.
Obviously if the rule stops you from opening tables ( a *bleep* poor one if Im honest ) then why not campaign to change it. Or keep it depending upon your opinion.
Yogi |
Spoken like a true players cardroom manager. Top post Yogi. _________________ www.millenniumdriveways.co.uk |
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