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bigbadblob
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 Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: critique please |
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£100 buy in live.... 25 left from 50 runners.
Blinds 400-800
I have 8k in chips on the button with Q 9 off.
I raise to 2100... SB reraises 4100 total.... BB folds.
SB has 26000 behind.
I called the extra 2000.
Flop = 4 9 10 rainbow.
SB pushes ALL IN.
I had no info on the SB apart from him telling me pre flop , he has a BIG hand.
What are your opinions on my play preflop and what would you do post flop.... thanks , vinny.
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The Underdog
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fair enough raise mate, but id probably fold to his re pop and wait for a better spot. I know youve got a 1/4 of your stack in there, but id rather wait and get it in with a better hand.
youve got an M of 5....5 rotations till your blinded out. id wait one rotation to see if anything comes up and if not id loosen my range and jam from a good position...cut off/button etc
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JonThomson
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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with 10bb's on the button, i'm not doing anything other than shoving or folding preflop. it's been a while since i calculated these but i think shoving here is unexploitable (if it was blind v blind you could shove 20k so i think less than half of that against two opponents with added dead money is probably good).
as played, a call is absolutely automatic. i have absolutely no idea what your thought process was preflop, unless you're precisely:
- putting him on AK
- assuming he won't put in an automatic shove on any board
- hoping the board doesn't come with high cards
- stopping and going in reverse
- praying that he'll fold despite getting ridiculous odds
putting any chips into any pot with 10bb's with the intention of leaving yourself an escape route should you get played back at in an MTT is really bad.
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manumadmel
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| who won it vin? |
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BloodyJonny
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Joined: 30 Jul 2008
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Location: Midlands
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:14 pm Post subject: Re: critique please |
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| bigbadblob wrote: | £100 buy in live.... 25 left from 50 runners.
Blinds 400-800
I have 8k in chips on the button with Q 9 off.
I raise to 2100... SB reraises 4100 total.... BB folds.
SB has 26000 behind.
I called the extra 2000.
Flop = 4 9 10 rainbow.
SB pushes ALL IN.
I had no info on the SB apart from him telling me pre flop , he has a BIG hand.
What are your opinions on my play preflop and what would you do post flop.... thanks , vinny. |
Hi BBB,
The Way I see this situation:-
Blinds 1200 your stack 8,000 = 8,000 / 1200 = M:6.6 = Orange Zone
( only of real use at a final table)
You Hand Q9 off on the DB 25 out of 50 runners.
IMHO. I think you where a little ambitious with your choice of starting hand to get busy with, I acept you need to do some thing with in the next 30 or so hands, but for me If I hit a queen or a nine I going to have to push, and I still will not know where I am in the hand.
I personally would have waited for a better starting hand. I also am curious about the other player saying "I have a good hand" WHY would he say this? It to me looks like He/She didnt want a CALL, and I guess that looks like ACE Paint that missed the flop???
If I have a low "M" I look for KQ,KJ,KTs,Pocket Pair above 88, and I try to stay away from rag ace's
Very interesting conuntrum you have posted.
Cheers Jonny
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BloodyJonny
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:19 pm Post subject: I agree |
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| JonThomson wrote: | with 10bb's on the button, i'm not doing anything other than shoving or folding preflop.
putting any chips into any pot with 10bb's with the intention of leaving yourself an escape route should you get played back at in an MTT is really bad. |
Me 2 I agree ( good post)
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bigbadblob
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| JonThomson wrote: | with 10bb's on the button, i'm not doing anything other than shoving or folding preflop. it's been a while since i calculated these but i think shoving here is unexploitable (if it was blind v blind you could shove 20k so i think less than half of that against two opponents with added dead money is probably good).
as played, a call is absolutely automatic. i have absolutely no idea what your thought process was preflop, unless you're precisely:
- putting him on AK
- assuming he won't put in an automatic shove on any board
- hoping the board doesn't come with high cards
- stopping and going in reverse
- praying that he'll fold despite getting ridiculous odds
putting any chips into any pot with 10bb's with the intention of leaving yourself an escape route should you get played back at in an MTT is really bad. |
I would agree with you that a push is almost standard in that position... i suppose i was just trying to play cute... coz these two players in the blinds are very good players imo and know im liable to push in this spot.
I had no intention of folding unless maybe an A K flop came.... if a low flop or one of my cards come im pushing anyway.
Anyways he had A 10... with a flop of A 9 10.
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