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Autobetkev
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:51 pm    Post subject: Views Please Reply with quote

9 left out of 35 starters. Average stack = 15k. I have 7.5k. Blinds 400/800. top 5 paid.
Table perception of me is aggressive (although reigned in slightly over recent months)
Im dealt 6,6 in SB.
BB has over 30k and is a bad player.
I raise to 3.2k he flat calls
Flop 4,8,9 rainbow.
I shove he calls with Ah8h, im out.
Ideas please.
My thinking - If he is calling for half my stack, then he will call for all of it. At least if he misses, I have have the chance to take it away on the flop, and make chips on the hand.
Discussions with friends after the hand. One said, pre flop raise should have been smaller, one said pre flop raise should have been all in. I err on the side of a smaller raise to be honest, Therefore if the villain misses the flop, he would have less pot odds to call my shove with 2 overs. A shove at that point looks weak, IMO.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Views Please Reply with quote

Autobetkev wrote:
9 left out of 35 starters. Average stack = 15k. I have 7.5k. Blinds 400/800. top 5 paid.
Table perception of me is aggressive (although reigned in slightly over recent months)
Im dealt 6,6 in SB.
BB has over 30k and is a bad player.
I raise to 3.2k he flat calls
Flop 4,8,9 rainbow.
I shove he calls with Ah8h, im out.
Ideas please.
My thinking - If he is calling for half my stack, then he will call for all of it. At least if he misses, I have have the chance to take it away on the flop, and make chips on the hand.
Discussions with friends after the hand. One said, pre flop raise should have been smaller, one said pre flop raise should have been all in. I err on the side of a smaller raise to be honest, Therefore if the villain misses the flop, he would have less pot odds to call my shove with 2 overs. A shove at that point looks weak, IMO.


A shove does look weak, but at that point it's an instafold with A-8.
Even if he misses the flop, he is almost certain call an all in on the flop, another 3 - 4k in to an 8k pot!

I would have shoved it preflop 2bh, cos i don't think 4 a second he calls u with A-8, but then again, I am a haddock! Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shove preflop, raising that much of your stack commits you anyway, you don't really care if he calls or folds
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Autobetkev
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking to the villain after the hand, he said he would have called a push. I believe him, i play with him all the time!! If he misses the flop with a raggy ace do you think he still calls? I think I at least get the chance, small though it is, to get him to fold A8 if the flop comes Q, 10, 5 for example.
Note - I was always going to push.
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