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teamdobb
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 Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Poisson wrote: | | JonThomson wrote: | | The Chaser wrote: | | What a lot of online players patently fail to realise is that top heavy prize structures inevitably lead to deals being brokered from 5/6 handed down and it isnt too difficult to get involved in those deals. If you are playing win only poker then maybe the principals of playing more hands to increase your chip stack early may apply but in terms of profitability you dont have to win every tourney you play on the live circuit because there are many deals done. |
well, if you know that there is a high probability of a deal being done, then this needs to be taken into account. if it tends to be chopped up fairly evenly even five or six out regardless of the counts, then you can play it more like a satellite. if it's done via a strict chip chop, then you have much less of a difference between cEV and $EV, and all you're doing is reducing variance, of course, in this second situation you still need the chips to get a decent chunk of the cash.
another thing to consider is WHY the deals are being done. if it's just a case of everyone wanting to reduce variance because of the payout structure, then it's somewhat bleh, personally i'd still try to get a large stack to be able to have a decent payout (having most of the chips in play and saying "well i'll take first money and you can decide the rest amongst yourselves" would be awesome). if it's more because it's become a crapshoot and everyone's got like five big blinds and the venue wants you out in fifteen minutes, then i'd wonder how everyone got into that situation in the first place and have likely adjusted my play earlier, i don't allow myself to get blinded down to that kind of position.
i'm not a fan of deals myself and to the best of my knowledge have only ever done two in my life, and have only ever considered it one other time. if people are playing tightly to try to get into a situation where they can chop it up and are hugely afraid of getting into a "tournament life" situation, that's exploitable. |
I see you didnt manage to get out then,Shame really
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Davina Divine kept him busy 
All the book stuff and blah often is blown out of the water when your sat in a live competition especially one of decent standard games and the human aspect of the game can demolish alot of players.
Also online games and live games are like chalk n cheese to me, infact you can spot regular online players a mile away in live games. They normally wear donkey heads.
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Poisson
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Yip and why would anyone let somebody take 1st place because they have loads of chips? its ludicrous at best
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bigbadblob
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Interesting thread.... JT,s and Chaser have two very different approaches to tournament strategy thats obvious.... i think if you can find some middle ground and combine these strategies you would be worth a lot of money as thats exaclty what makes these big poker pro,s so wealthy.
Its a matter of timing, skill and reading abilities... i think tight aggressive 80% and mix things up 20% , use the bold well and you will have much better chance of winning tourneys.
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BlueLeon
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:29 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for your comments everyone.
Although I can see the idea in taking more chances early on, ok in a rebuy period I agree and do so but other than than that I just play the way I feel. If i think my marginal hand is ahead I will go with it. If there are blinds or a pot that i feel i can steal, then i do so.
Although I am a gambler in life, i just cannot adjust my game so that I gamble on stupid hands just for the sake of getting deep stacked 1/10 times.
The key to me being in the position were I cash regulary is due to the fact I improved my game to where by more often than not my chips were going in to the middle with the better hand, even if it is 55% fav.
As for the point of playing SNG's, I have the experience of having played thousands online I have benefited from certain areas of this but I feel it is a totally different game online.
The point of me taking more chances when I am in the cash sounds the more sensible solution, although 'i stll have my doubts. A favoured tactic of mine early in the money which I think is great and maybe it is partly where my problem comes from is to sit back and move up the ladder while the majority of the people around you play what I call 'Lemmings' once they are in the money they jump for no particular reason.
JT I look forward to reading your book when it comes out, but i guarantee that one i have read it i will be more confused about the game than ever!
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