Muck or show

mrmacacan · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:20 am Post subject: Muck or show

There are 2 players left.

River card comes.

Player 1 bets out.

Player 2 calls.

Player 1 instantly mucks.

Does player 2 have to show his cards ?.

Cool

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Brother Love · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:39 am Post subject:

no
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mrmacacan · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:28 am Post subject:

That's what I thought mate.
To be honest sounds correct to me but after searching all morning I
found this.

http://www.ukpokerinfo.co.uk/index.php?s=showdown

Link not working (works now), I copied and pasted this.

There is an order of showdown, if no one has bet on the turn or river then players should show in a clockwise direction from the button. If there was aggressive action on the flop, but nothing on the turn and river, those cards have changed the situation that dramatically that the order of showdown from the button is the fairest way. At any point players can pass cards face down and not show once they think they are beat. The biggie and the one that causes the most confusion is if someone bets and gets a caller on the turn or river, in this situation the person who made the last aggressive action ( ie bet, raised or reraised and was called by the other player(s) ) Is committed to show first in showdown order, and the caller can insist they show before he turns his/her cards over (this is not bad etiquette, this is the correct order) The bettor can if he wishes throw his cards into the muck, the caller was probably right and the bettor was bluffing. If the cards are retrievable the caller can still ask to see (this is now bad etiquette) Even still, the caller must now expose his cards to win the pot. If the bettor shows his cards when asked, and tables a winning hand then the caller can muck, his cards are not retrievable. If for some reason the caller exposes his cards first, the bettor can now muck, and the caller cannot ask to see his cards as he has just forfieted the right and upset the order of showdown, by his hastiness. Although it is also good etiquette, if you believe you have the best hand to table your cards if you do not wish to see the opponents cards. The reason why this system works well, is there can be no bad feeling, and it also induces action and allows players to bluff more often unlike the other points, which inhibit action.

I don't agree with it, if you have nothing to beat why should
you give the rest of the table information by showing your cards.

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Brother Love · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:45 am Post subject:

correct... If your the only person with cards ... you win...

if anyone said anything different i'd get them to call my bet with no cards and then they have paid to see them..

they still lose and the pot gets bigger lol
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