Opinions please

bigbadblob · Ace High Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 26 Location: st helens

$10 MTT 30 left ... paying top 20. Blinds ...800 - 1600

Im in mid position with AK... i have 15,000 about 20th in chips.

Guy raises 2nd to act (only showed good hands KK AA AK) raise to 4600.

Guy next to him just seen him fold fold fold... goes all in 9,000.

comes to me with the AK..... what do i do? And why?

The-Tower · Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject:

pass......

I'm no expert but I don't wanna risk it all wth A-K, I think you will have better opportunities to donk off your chips.. Like calling when being in front!! Laughing

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mrmacacan · Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject:

Hard one, think I would fold to a raise and re-raise all in.
You have got to be behind one of them imo and you have players yet to act.

Against 2 open players maybe, but against 2 very tight players
instant fold for me.

AK I would push against 1 of them.

I would expect to see better chances later on.

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roscopiko · One Pair Joined: 13 May 2008 Posts: 76 Location: NPF

Got to be in trouble here, instant fold and wait for hand and/or position
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gnashers · Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject:

think mrmacacan summed it up excatly, but im expecting u 2 say 1 had aq and the other a weaker ace.

Ascot · Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject:

You're behind to pocket 2s. At least one of them must have a (better) pair than that. You MIGHT be ahead, or you might have 6, 3, or zero outs. Doesn't seem good odds for 60% of your stack.

The guy with 9k is down to just over 5BB and could be pushing with a raggy Ace before the blinds hit him, but chances are if he's that low he's been waiting for something slightly better. Do you want to give him a chance to double up at your expense? And possibly leave yourself on 6K?

On some tables, with some players, I'd have less of a problem playing your hand but based on your description of them .... its an easy fold.
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cctv · Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject:

im guessing one had 10-jack and the other had A-7
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cctv · Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject:

i call if its a $10 mtt online, i pass in a 25 plus or i go on my reads if its live
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JonThomson · Royal Flush Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 3243 Location: FTP

never folding AK with <10bb's regardless of the action in front of me
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bigbadblob · Ace High Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 26 Location: st helens

I will tell you how it went.... I didnt do any maths at all in the 15 seconds i had to act, i simply looked at my 9xBB stack and my AK and was never laying it down even with 5 all ins my moneys going in.

The original tight raiser was priced to call anyway and had 30k left if he lost... and im happy if he doesnt have KK or AA so its a must call for me.

Original raiser shows 10 10 shorty shows AQ.
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Emma_Yeah · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:32 am Post subject:

so who won ???
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cctv · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:38 pm Post subject:

bigbadblob · Ace High Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 26 Location: st helens

DJam · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject:

I'm confused with people's reactions to JT's advice. Whilst I believe an argument CAN be made for folding, not only do I think his advice is far from 'the worst advice... [of] 2008', but I would say an all-in in this situation is probably incredibly +ev in terms of going deep in the tourney.
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mrmacacan · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject:

I think topics like this are what forums are all about.
None of us play the same, It's good to see differing opinions
on all hands and possible moves.

I posted my reply has I saw it, to be honest that's how I would have played it.

But after reading all the replies I really thought about it a lot more.
I still think I would have folded but if this or when this happens to
me I think I might take a lot longer to think it out.

As bigbadblob says the result does not matter, all you will get then
is some opinions looking good and some bad.
Next time it happens it would probably be the reverse.

I think the decision is very very close.

Anyway lets get more situations on here to discuss.

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bigbadblob · Ace High Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 26 Location: st helens

Bobbino · Straight Joined: 14 Aug 2005 Posts: 794 Location: Staining

Have to say,am with JT on this......with an M of less than 5 I cant see a better chance of gettin ur chips in with a better hand in the next few circuits Very Happy

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